Negative Points for Incompletions (QBs)

[Commissioner]

Negative points for incompletions for QBs. Since we award for completions, we should subtract for incompletions.

[tbparker]

In favor. For the same reasoning as I’m in favor of interceptions being more punitive. Rebalances QB scoring closer to their actual performance.

[mattbills]

I don’t think I’m in favor of any scoring changes. If the league was originally set up this way I’d agree with this scoring system. I would say leave the scoring alone.

[bthoman]

I am not in favor of this.

[lukebroncos]

My suggestion would be to have negative points for incompletions but weighted for average. The league average completion percentage os roughly 62% so a completion should be (+0.38) and incompletions should be (-0.62). This way if your qb throws a league-average completion percentage he is awarded 0 points for the match up. He receives bonuses for an above-average % and penalized for a below avg %.

With these weights, Pat Mahomes went 26/42 in super bowl and would have received 26(0.38) + 16(-0.62) = 9.88 - 9.92 = - 0.04

[jamesosteen]

My suggestion would be to have negative points for incompletions but weighted for average. The league average completion percentage os roughly 62% so a completion should be (+0.38) and incompletions should be (-0.62). This way if your qb throws a league-average completion percentage he is awarded 0 points for the match up. He receives bonuses for an above-average % and penalized for a below avg %.

With these weights, Pat Mahomes went 26/42 in super bowl and would have received 26(0.38) + 16(-0.62) = 9.88 - 9.92 = - 0.04

I'd be fine with this. To illustrate your point more let's say Mahomes had five more completions so 31 / 42 now a 73.8 completion % versus a 61.9 (league avg).

31 / 42 - 73.8% - 31(0.38) + 11(-0.62) = 11.78 - 6.82 = 4.96

So now for being roughly 12% points over league avg with around 40 pass attempts he would earn essentially a little more than a passing TD for a completion bonus. I think this is a good formula.

Only thing I would perhaps tweak are the numbers to keep it more simple. For instance, 60% completion (+0.6 and -0.4). Will keep rounding points cleaner.

31 / 42 - 73.8% - 31(0.4) + 11(-0.6) = 12.4 - 6.6 = 5.8

[lukebroncos]

Ya the threshold can be adjusted for sure. I just think league average is a good place to start, slightly adjusted one way or the other doesn't matter,

[ennelson7]

I would say leave as is buy fine either way.

[Seahawks]

I think negative points for incompletions is a great idea. Nothing worse than a below average qb racking up the points because he plays on a shity team that has to throw the ball 50+ times a game. Compare to the qb that throws a high completion percentage and their team is winning because of that, and he throws the ball 25 times a game. If you've been playing fantasy long enough, we all remember the fantasy stud that was John Kinta for a couple of seasons...

[detroitlions]

i think it is a good idea..
another idea is to just adjust TD score to 5pts
and INT to -3

rewarding good qbs and making it a more valuable position.
but i vote yes

[rafastw]

I don't agree with it. If we should subtract points for incompletions because we award points for completions, then we should also subtract points for drops since we award points for receptions. And I am saying it for the sake of the argument, I don't like any of these ideas.

[rafastw]

I kind of like Lions' idea however (even though I own Jameis... ugh).

[lukebroncos]

I actually looked into the drops thing. NFL doesn't count drops. It is not an official category recognized by the league. You could, however, do it for catch % which would penalize a receiver for targets and reward for catches. It makes sense but I know you guys couldn't wrap your brain around negative points for targets lol. I would actually be in favor of it in ppr leagues.

[lukebroncos]

Can someone present a good argument for why QBs should be rewarded for completions but not penalized for incompletions?

[rafastw]

If the argument is ˜we have to penalize incompletions because we award completions˜, I find it better then to just get rid of those points for completions.
But yes... It does make more sense to have either none of these options or both.

[Banderson7488]

Lean toward no on this one

[Colts--CLYDE]

Negative points for incompletions only if weighted. Not a neg point per incompletion

[PhiladelphiaEagles]

I would agree to have negative points for incompletions IF AND ONLY IF we can make incompletions -0.5 and completions 1. My reasoning for this... incompletions, like Interceptions, are not at full fault of the QB. INTs typically provide -1 or -2 points because of this, to account for the Quarterback taking a percentage of the blame and not a full -4 of taking a potential TD away. We should reward the connection of a QB to his receivers, but punish the QB a fraction for his contribution for those incompletions. A 50% passing rate can still win games (aka Jameis) and if you're winning games, you deserve a positive performance.